Exploring design systems with Rune Madsen

In his 2017 keynote talk, "The User Experience of Design Systems", veteran designer, artist and educator Rune Madsen dissected not only the benefits of design systems, but also the overlooked negative consequences he sees in terms of how they’re being applied today. Specifically, are we now over-templatizing products in a way that benefits the builder, but not the user? Emmet Connolly, Director of Product Design at Intercom, sits down with Rune to go deeper on the topic.